The moderator asked if homosexuality harmed society. Was it a crime to be punished or a problem to be treated?

Dean Swift said the question was: should the law deal with people who were not harming society? Miss Kelley said that the attorneys would not go along with Dean Swift's implicit assumption when children were involved until they knew that homosexual offenders (with children) could be treated.

Laidlaw said that of course they could be treated.

Miss Kelley retorted, "Yeah, anything can be treated.. but how successfully?" There followed a discussion by Laidlaw regarding allaying anxiety by knowledge.

The moderator asked if the homosexual could accept himself if society didn't accept him. The conclusion was that it was very difficult, indeed. The moderator asked if there were cultural factors in the present making for more homosexuality. Miss Kelley asked if homosexuality were growing or just being more talked about. She cited Kinsey's books as examples. The moderator said that the matter of national "security" had focussed attention on this problem. He mentioned blackmail potential as part of the "security problem". Laidlaw said that a homosexual was not necessarily neurotic or psychotic, but that he was more likely to be in certain ways, due mainly to the pressures of public opinion which caused him to have to hide and cover up his actions and desires. Dean Swift was concerned as to the shock children experienced when approached by adult males. Laidlaw said that that deMiss Kelley

pended on the predisposition of the child.

said that she was not worried about the "predisposition of the child," but that the American Law Institute wished to protect any child from the traumatic shock of any sexual attack.

The moderator queried as to what was a well-conditioned youngster and a good environment? Laidlaw said he thought that schools segregated by sex were

a bad a bad thing

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